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September 15, 2009
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Following the U.N. mission on Gaza report that concluded both sides in last January's Israeli offensive into Gaza committed war crimes, we'd like to know who you think has acted outside of international humanitarian law.

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Sayan Majumdar   September 15th, 2009 3:30 pm ET

Gross violations of human rights remain the saddest chapter in violent disputes ranging from declared war to low intensity conflicts.

Sayan.

Justice   September 15th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

He who lives in glass house should not throw stone. The truth is that one cannot compare Hamas with Israeli, while the formeris a terrorist group that kills the people they claim to be fighting for through suicide bombings, the latter understands the sanctity of life and often react in self defence.
It is impossible to have a war without casualties especially civilians, but in this case Hamas should be held responsible for throwing in first hundreds of missiles and other weapons into Israel.

Tony   September 15th, 2009 4:19 pm ET

You cant expect peace from the palistanians while their land is occupied and even more are being grabbed everyday by the Israealis.
it some time makes me wonder what would have happend to all of Europe if Hitler didnt do what he did???

john ramboni   September 15th, 2009 4:37 pm ET

I'm sick of hearing how much the entertainment industry has lost from piracy!

It is totally FALSE! I have interviewed young people who have downloaded movies and music from the internet, and found that because of their economical situation, and being students, they would not have bought or paid to see a movie or own music anyway.

They only download because it is free! So the industry didn't lose anything. Actually they gained something ... fame for their actors/musicians and free publicity. Many of the people said after seeing a movie and liking it, they later decided to buy certain movie merchandise, like T-shirts, hats, etc.

So, how can you lose something that you would not have received anyway??

Jon   September 15th, 2009 7:10 pm ET

When I watched CNN, they reported over many months, Hamas sending missiles into Sderot and Israel NOT responding. When I srael does respond to protect their citizens Hamas continues the fire but behind women and children.
What would the UK do if France fired missles at them or if Canada fired missles at the US

Howard   September 15th, 2009 7:12 pm ET

The notion that Palestinians were shooting rockets into Israel in "self defence" is patently absurd. Targeting schools and people riding their bicycles can never be rightly said to be self defence.

Israel had to endure countless rocket attacks into its proper territory, placing innocent civilian lives at risk. How much of this can any nation withstand before taking strong action to put a stop to such heinous acts?

There is little or no distinction in Gaza between who is/is not a combatant. The militants immerse themselves, as a matter of strategic practice, within civilian areas in order to elicit international sympathy when the inevitable civilian casualties take place. We may never know with certainty whether or not Israeli soldiers responded with excessive force - the two sides dispute the facts. But what should be clear to all is that these two parties are in a life-death war, and so there are going to be events that are sufficiently chaotic so as to defy conventional assessments with respect to whether or not war crimes were committed.

Jean - Luxembourg   September 15th, 2009 7:12 pm ET

this is just ridiculous. at war there are and will always be civilians killed. so wat's all those discussions about???

Kais Shahin   September 15th, 2009 7:15 pm ET

It's the battle of David and Goliath. Israel is obviously the aggressor and should be persecuted for committing war crimes against innocent Palestinian children. Palestinians have the right to resist Israeli occupation.

Lateef   September 15th, 2009 7:33 pm ET

Its high time the few good people in this world take a critical look at the tragedy of the Palestinian people and call Israel to reason. Peace for palestine is certainly in the interest of the Jewish peoples.
The persistent War Crime by the Nation of israel against the Palestinian people should STOP now.
Its a shame on the conscience of the World!

Loreen   September 15th, 2009 7:44 pm ET

This war isn't Israel against Palestinians or vs , it is Israel against Hamas (Terrorist Group). Hamas aren't only killing Israelies but also their own people!.
Hamas targets in Israel are specificly civilians (and excuse me but this IS NOT self-defense).
When Israel its going to attack they advice the Palestianian (in many ways as throwing flyers from the air) so they can go to a safe place. WHY? because this isn't like any other war, this war its against Terrorism...NOT Palestianians.
Hamas hidding places are civialians houses, schools,temples... They use human shields!, thats why always so many innocent Palestinians die... while many terrorists hide .

CJ Harwood   September 15th, 2009 8:05 pm ET

Richard Goldstone condemned Hamas rockets as war crimes, and this means he excluded from his report (I haven't yet read it) a law of war which prima facie applies, viz, the law of belligerent reprisals, which legalizes attacks targeting civilians and civilian objects in enemy territory (Israel), for the purpose of inducing the enemy (Israel) to terminate its war crimes, for example Israel's blockade of Gaza, humanitarian supplies, looting and colonizing Israeli occupied Palestinian territory (1967 oPt), including East Jerusalem, and armed force to enforce those two violent war crimes. He should write an addendum to his report, reporting this law and applying his mind and that law to Israeli war crimes and Hamas rockets. -CJ Harwood (Warlaw)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/israel-us-war-blockade-reprisals.html
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/ic-settlements.html

Nelson Thornes- Palestine   September 15th, 2009 8:29 pm ET

Israeli soldiers have entered and taken up positions in a number of Palestinian homes, forcing families to stay in a ground-floor room while they use the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position. They are definatley guilty of War Crimes and Acts against Humanity, And blame Palestine for trying to fight back, it is an OUTRAGE the world can sit back and watch this happen
Thomas Jefferson once said : If there's something wrong, those who have the ability to take action have the responsibility to take action

Yousif   September 15th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

In no way am I against this poll and how it allows viewers to post their opinion; but frankly, It does nothing to help the palestinian victims of war but rather infuriate everyday citizens who many months ago sat helplessly watching crimes commited against humanity.

I ask myself what change has taken place at present time, we all know the answer to that – Nothing. But then again, how are we to aid these victims when Israel's insesitive blockade remains only allowing 'essential supplies'. What is essential? many would reply food, shelter and clothing; me however, without the trauma of waking up to screaming and whaling parents, children and the old aged.

It's pathetic how governments can only accuse and condemn but as always take no action; action only takes place if it's in a country's interest; but what interest is there to gain from a feeble occupied country like Palestine.

Israel however, knows it's interest very well. Take the land from palestinian farmers, traumatise their citizens and continue to outlawingly resume housing projects in Palestine's designated land.

It would be an understatement in claming that Israel simply violated international humanitarian law.

Iedan   September 15th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

I agree it's wrong to heart innocent civilians and that it should be avoided by all means. But with all the respect, if that was the main concern of the Hamas militants, then they would have lunched their rockets from an open field where nobody would get heart... assuming they're smart enough to conclude that such an action would lead to a counter-action...Secondly, even the best attempts to avoid casualties might go wrong.... just think about want happens in Afghanistan in the last year... attempts to stop terrorists (who by the way started the fight, just like Hamas did) end up in deaths of innocent civilians as well, hospitals, schools, children, women, men, etc...

Worth mentioning that Hamas was elected by the Palestinians as their rightful government, and thus any decision, stupid and irresponsible as it may be, directly affects all of them (although, Israel didn't accused all the Palestinians for these actions and tried to target Hamas only)... This rule accounts for any group that selects its leader. When the leader takes action the group must pay the consequences...

To make my point even clearer, if you take all the terrorist activities (suicide bombs, etc...) into account, you would find that the deaths among the civilians of Israel was almost as high as that among Palestinians. (see the following link for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_militant_groups_suicide_attacks)

N.B. I don't justify violence of any kind, I'm just trying to put things in prospective.
So before pointing the finger in the direction of Israel, which as a state has the right and obligation to protect their civilians, just try to put yourself in their shoes and think what would you have done.

CJ Harwood   September 15th, 2009 11:57 pm ET

Israel's remedy, against the rockets, is to terminate its violent war crimes. Israel's attack on Gaza, on the pretext of inducing Hamas to stop firing rockets, is a war crime, namely, armed force to enforce its criminal blockade. The rockets being a prima facie lawful reprisal, there is no basis for a self-defense claim by Israel. Their self defense is to stop their blockade (a war crime). Just as the U.S. remedy, against "terrorism," is not to murder foreigners, rather to terminate its own violent war crimes, namely, complicity in Israel's violent war crimes. The U.S. remedy is to reverse its criminal policy and lead the attack against Israel, with U.N. sanctions, terminate all U.S. aid to Israel, to coerce Israel to withdraw its 500,000 settlers from the Palestinian land Israel has looted and colonized, and the Golan Heights and the Shaba Farms (Lebanon). -CJ Harwood (Warlaw)

miriam   September 16th, 2009 12:13 pm ET

CJ Harwood,

Turn your theory around!

The firing of kassam rockets at Israeli citizens came first. An indisputable war crime.
Therefore, Israel had the right to engage in reprisal, belligerant or not, to induce Hamas to cease from committing such crimes.

Israel, however, fought according to the rules of international law.

It is not illegal for a state to protect its citizens from attack.
In fact it would be illegal for a democratic, accountable state to leave citizens subject to rocket attack without taking action to prevent it.

vic benedicto   September 18th, 2009 1:17 am ET

Despite strong influence of Israel on the world's mass media (cable tv news, newspapers, magazines, radio, talk shows, etc.) the true feelings of readers/watchers/audience still come out.

take a look at the poll results.

Kevin Clements   September 19th, 2009 6:06 pm ET

Miriam

I didn't ethnic cleansing was allowed under international law (indisputable fact); since when has using human shields been allowed under international law (when the IDF do it)? Since when has it been acceptable to target schools and water plants?

It is appalling people become apologists for war crimes. This mentality demeans all humanity.

Mike   October 7th, 2009 1:43 am ET

A war crime beyond our imagination! A massacre with no meaning! One of the most outrageous events in the history of Human kind! Right there, right in front of the eyes of the world! When are you all going to open your eyes and realize that Israel is NOT a country? When are you all going to open you eyes and realize that the existance of Israel is just the result of the actions of terrorist organizations that were in the lands of th Great Palestine? When are you all going to realize that the creation of the "state" of Israel was decided by someone who had nothing al all to do with the Palestinian people! EXAMPLE: Kurds want a Nation! Let's take a peace of California and give it to those people. Oh! And let's do that WITHOUT asking the people that live in California if thats fine or not!

Have a great day 🙂

TGHANEM   October 7th, 2009 3:12 pm ET

I DO NOT BELIVE WHAT ISRAEL HAS DONE FOR PALESTINE AND THE PALESTINIAN, IT IS NOT 100% WAR CRIME, IT IS
10000000000000000000000000000000000 % WAR CRIME .

STOP OCCUPATION .

Jean - Luxembourg   October 7th, 2009 4:24 pm ET

why don't you "white americans" take the whole israel country and problem and put them somewhere in the nevada-desert. the palestinian people would have their country (which always has been Palestinia) back and the whole problem is solved.

Jean - Luxembourg   October 8th, 2009 9:32 am ET

McCain is a "culturelydepravedhillbilly". he should live a full year in Afganistan. than he probably may understand that one does not go in a muslim country and change their way of thinking and living.

Jean - Luxembourg   October 8th, 2009 9:40 am ET

McCain does not get it: one does not tell muslims to change their way of thinking and living. he should go to Afganistan and live with them. maybe he then will understand the problem the americans have: what ever you do, you always will loose.

ValeriusS.   October 10th, 2009 2:35 pm ET

Unfortunately most people in Israel would not agree with the opinion prevalent on this forum (or at least in the poll). Here's a link to an interesting related article in an Israeli blog:
http://samsonblinded.org/news/palestinians-undeterred-by-obama-13838

Rada Goldfeder   October 28th, 2009 6:17 am ET

"In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less."
Meir Kahane

Commenter   November 6th, 2009 7:04 am ET

Yes absolutely we should pay the price for the crimes we did in Gaza..
Also the US and the UK , Canada, Australia, Germany and their allies should pay the price for Iraq and Afghanistan..
Oh and Russia should definitely pay the price for what they did in Chechnya and Georgia..

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